If you follow Knife Thoughts you know I love a traditional knife. There’s just something about an old long proven pattern that hits me (and many others) the right way. The majority of traditional knives I have discussed have been of western origin; from the USA with roots in the UK or Germany, and some from other European countries like Italy and France. That said, knives are universal and there’s a whole world of knives and knife history out there to explore. That’s why I am really excited to see two traditional Asian knife patterns translated into modern every day carry knives in the Vosteed Nightshade and Civivi Ki-V Plus!

Vosteed Nightshade

The Vosteed Nightshade is a modern knife that emulates the Shilin Cutter. The Shilin Cutter is a pattern from Taiwan. The pattern originated in the mid 19th century when a cutler named Kuo He created and subsequently popularized the design. The knife is designed with a downward canted leaf shaped blade that lends itself to gardening and other utility tasks, while the handle is a simple eggplant shape that makes it extremely ergonomic even in extended use. The original traditional version was a slipjoint, meaning it used spring pressure to hold the blade open and closed but did not lock, and typically had forged blade steel and buffalo horn covers with brass bolsters.

Unfortunately, the shop that originally made the Shilin Cutter no longer seems to be in operation and even imitation versions are difficult to find. Spyderco created a modern knife based on the Shilin Cutter in the Bob Lum designed Lum, but it is discontinued and now exceedingly expensive on the secondary market.

Enter, the Vosteed Nightshade. Vosteed is a company that I became aware of relatively recent because of their high value kitchen knives, but they also have several folding knife designs with more on the way. The Nightshade makes few changes to the design of the Shilin Cutter, but updates it with modern materials and construction. It has snappy and smooth one hand opening with a flipper and ball bearing pivot, a pocket clip, a liner lock, 154cm steel (a great mid range steel), and G10 handles. It also is just plain really well made, like I was genuinely surprised at how nice it is (not to mention the high quality metal box in which it’s packaged).

The designer, Yue Dong, was gifted an original Shilin Cutter and has used it extensively for camping and every day carry tasks, but designed the Nightshade to be an updated and upgraded version that would stand up to wear and tear. I have found it to cut extremely well so far, as it came very sharp and seems to have a nicely ground primary bevel, and honestly have just enjoyed flipping it (it’s very smooth). With a comfortable handle and a sturdy but slicey blade, I think the Nightshade is up to pretty much any EDC, outdoor, or general use task.

You can get the Nightshade at this link and use code KT5 for $5 off a Nightshade or KT20 for $20 off the Nightshade and Shark Bomb pry bar combo! I also suggest joining Vosteed’s Facebook group at this link if you get one of their knives, as it’s quite active and enthusiastic.

Civivi Ki-V Plus

The Civivi Ki-V Plus is a modern folding knife that takes its design cues from the Kiridashi. The Kiridashi is a traditional Japanese fixed blade pattern. Like the pen knife in Europe and the United States, the Kiridashi serves as a small utility knife that was carried by the majority of people for everyday tasks. The Kiridashi has a straight, angled edge and is traditionally ground with a chisel primary bevel, meaning one side is ground and the other is left flat (other than the secondary bevel, or edge). This edge and grind style also lent the Kiridashi to shop work, like scoring wood and other such tasks. The traditional Kiridashi most often had a simple carbon steel blade and either a wooden handle or a skeleton, or plain metal tang, handle. While several companies are now offering modern renditions of the Kiridashi, I think the Civivi Ki-V Plus does about the best job I’ve seen of keeping the traditional design while adding modern materials and construction.

Now, the Ki-V Plus is actually an enlarged and modified version of the Ki-V (you can watch my video on it here). While I enjoyed the Ki-V and thought the designer, Ostep Hel, did a great job of keeping the traditional aesthetic I thought it could be improved with a different flipper tab design. Although the Ki-V plus doesn’t have the exact type of flipper tab I was imagining, I think it is an improvement over the original. I am NOT usually a fan of front flippers; I’m just not dexterous enough for them most of the time. That said, I’ve had a lot of fun flipping the Ki-V Plus and haven’t found any difficulty in opening and closing it in real use. The Ki-V Plus also adds a liner lock, whereas the original Ki-V was a double detent slipjoint. Even though I think the Kiridashi design does lend itself well to a slipjoint, the added size of the Plus version makes the liner lock a smart choice. However, I think a larger cutout on the front facing handle would make unlocking the blade a little more intuitive. Speaking of the larger size, the Ki-V Plus’s longer blade makes it feel like a knife better suited to working; still not necessarily hard use, but not relegated exclusively to lighter tasks either. While the Ki-V Plus doesn’t have the traditional chisel grind, the traditional angled edge still works great for all kinds of cutting tasks and especially those most common in EDC usage like opening boxes and cutting cardboard. I have had a lot of fun with the Civivi Ki-V Plus so far and have found it to be a very capable EDC knife.

You can get the Civivi Ki-V Plus at this link and use code KnifeThoughts for a discount. You can also join Civivi’s Facebook group which has a dedicated following.

Which should you get?

Honestly, if you can’t get both, just go with whichever one strikes your fancy. Either way you’re going to get a well made knife. That said, I think if you do more gardening and food prep and outdoor tasks the Nightshade might be better suited for you while if you do more cutting cardboard and opening boxes and such the Ki-V Plus might be a better fit. Still, either will work suitably for most tasks. I enjoy both knives for their quality and materials, but what I really appreciate is how well both give homage to their traditional counterparts. I hope to see more and more of that respect for traditional patterns in the modern knife industry going forward, but for now I’ll just keep enjoying my Nightshade and Ki-V Plus!

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I am excited to introduce the Barlow Bearcat Club!

Clubs have always played an important role in the knife community, and one of the most curious examples is the Barlow Bearcats. This unusual club was created by Allan Trout for his “Greetings” column in the Courier-Journal of Louisville Kentucky. Starting in 1949 and going right up to the start of 1960 Mr. Trout penned countless amusing articles inducting members into the Barlow Bearcats and sharing their experiences surrounding barlow knives.

Membership in the original Barlow Bearcat Club was restricted to those who owned an original Russell Barlow. The Russell Barlow is often purported to be the first barlow made in America, starting in 1785, but there’s no question that it’s the knife that launched the barlow pattern to universal fame. In “Home Life in Colonial Days” Mary Earle said “The boy’s jack-knife was a possession so highly desired, so closely treasured in those days when boys had so few belongings, that it is pathetic to read of many a farm lad’s struggles and long hours of weary work to obtain a good knife”, which illustrates the value put on knives like the Russell Barlows. That said in 1920 a Russell Barlow cost $1 which, when adjusted for inflation, is only about $15 in today’s money. What a deal!

This re-imagining of the club will be open to anyone who owns any barlow. You can learn more about membership and apply at the page linked here and below. My hope is that the club grows into a fun new way to participate in the knife community. I love barlows, a barlow knife helped launch my love of traditional slipjoints, and I know countless others love barlows also… so I hope to see you in the Barlow Bearcat Club!

Very soon I will be sending out the first newsletter for club members. This will include some of the stories submitted by applicants, interesting details on the original club, and other various related thoughts and news. While I plan to go into more detail on the original club in the newsletter, I thought I’d leave you with one of my favorite lines from Mr. Trout’s column, which he wished upon the 100th member of the club; “May the keen edge of your interest last as long as the keen edge of your blade”!

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Great Eastern Cutlery is releasing another run of their #65 Ben Hogan pattern currently. Go ahead, do a google search for Ben Hogan… you’ll be scrolling for a long time before you come upon anything on the colorful character for whom the Great Eastern Cutlery #65 pattern is named. Unfortunately this unique player in American history has been overshadowed by the golfer, but Great Eastern Cutlery is doing their part to keep his story alive with their #65 pattern that carries Ben Hogan’s name.

Who was Ben Hogan?

Ben Hogan was one of the many larger than life characters involved in the heyday of Pithole. Pithole was one of the major epicenters of the early days of the oil boom in Pennsylvania and is nearby to Titusville, where Great Eastern Cutlery knives are made. The narrative comes down to us mostly from the semi autobiographical “The Life and Adventures of Ben Hogan, The Wickedest Man in the World”. This book details the many (supposed) exploits before and during Hogan’s stay in Pithole. Born in Germany in 1840, Hogan (originally Benedict Hagan) immigrated to New York and immediately began his notorious career by killing a scam artist who had targeted his father. From there he becomes a cabin boy then a blockade runner and even a full fledged pirate. Eventually he hears of Pithole and the oil boom and moves to take advantage of the already raucous environment. He puts on a strong man show, tries his hand at sparring and gymnastic lessons, opens a saloon, and claims to have been part of the notorious French Kate’s brothel business. By no means is this an exhaustive list of his feats and claims to notoriety, and I highly suggest checking out further reading (Explore Clarion Petroleum History). Finally, in a twist worthy of such an exceptional character, Hogan converts to Christianity, goes on an evangelical tour, and runs a soup kitchen in Chicago for the remainder of his life.

What is the Great Eastern Cutlery #65 Ben Hogan Pattern?

The GEC #65 pattern is a long slender jack knife that almost defies definition using traditional slipjoint nomenclature. It might be called an English Jack, due to its long slender mostly sleeveboard shape, but the irregular bolster calls that designation into question. The bolster, with its extension on the blade well side that almost covers the tang to create a sunken joint, is reminiscent of a Copperhead but the handle is just not shaped like a typical Copperhead. So it’s an unusual pattern. Great Eastern Cutlery has done several runs of the pattern including spear point blades and clip point blades, plus the Fish Knife with a scaler / degorger / bottle opener secondary tool. So far this run in 2022 has included three single clip point bladed versions (Osage Orange Wood, Jigged Red Bone, and Smooth White Bone) and a Fish Knife version with Tortoise Shell Acrylic covers. Both the versions I have came with interesting lanyards that are not something GEC has done before; an acorn bead for the Osage Orange and a whistle for Fish Knife.

Unfortunately, pretty much every #65 I’ve had (including 3+ from previous runs and 3 from this run) have had blade rap. Blade rap is when the blade over travels upon closing and the blade hits the spring, causing damage to the cutting edge. While I think it’s probably possible to make a knife of this long and slender shape without blade rap, it’s not a huge surprise that this issue rears its ugly (and all too common) head on the #65 pattern considering the greater momentum the blade has upon closing. So while I don’t plan to buy any more of the variations on this run of the GEC #65 Ben Hogan pattern, I still think it’s an interesting knife with a great namesake!

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I’ve had enough of it, and it’s time someone said it; proud tips and blade rap are manufacturing defects that are far too prevalent on traditional slipjoint knives. Proud tips and blade rap are issues that plague slipjoints across the spectrums of price, quality, and manufacturer. So, what are they, why are they a problem, and what can be done about them?

What is a proud tip?

A proud tip, simply put, is when the tip of the blade sits above the blade well when closed. What is considered a proud tip can vary depending on the shape of the blade and handle, and the personal preference of the observer. That said, if you can catch a fingernail under the tip of the blade when its closed that is a definite indicator of a proud tip.

What is blade rap?

Blade rap is when the edge hits against the spring when the blade is closed. Many people assume when they hear it said that it is “blade wrap” because of the edge damage that it causes. However, I have always known it to be “rap” meaning to rap against the spring, like “rapping at the window”. This happens because the momentum of the blade closing due to the spring pressure of the backspring causes the blade to overtravel and hit against the inside of the backspring (usually at the backspring pin hump). This causes edge deformation, usually in the form of rolling but sometimes pure flattening or occasionally even chipping.

What makes them legitimate issues?

Both proud tips and blade rap are legitimate manufacturing defects because they cause practical issues.

A proud tip, though unlikely, could catch on clothing fabric and inadvertently partially open the blade risking injury or even directly catch on skin when you reach in a pocket and potentially cause injury. Now, some people will say “well you can just file the kick, so it’s not a real issue” (my video on filing a kick). While it is true you can usually fix a proud tip by filing the kick, there’s two reasons that doesn’t excuse a proud tip. First, filing a kick involves an extremely fine balance between filing enough that the tip falls below the handle without filing too much and causing blade rap. Second, and more importantly, the consumer should not have to modify a product for it to function correctly.

Blade rap is more straight forward; an edge with damage doesn’t cut as well. Sure, the damage is usually only on a very small portion of the blade, but that doesn’t change the fact that that area will catch and not cut like the rest of the edge. Now, some people will say “well blade rap just means that the company fit as much blade into the blade well as possible”. The argument there is that the more blade is fit into the handle the more sharpenings a blade can take and therefore the longer working life the knife will have. While that is technically true, it doesn’t make up for the downside of blade rap for two reasons. First, either you have a knife that doesn’t cut as well as it could or you sharpen out the blade rap and take away that extra blade height. Second, and more importantly, the consumer should not have the modify a product for it to function correctly.

Now, being the astute and attentive reader you are, I’m sure you noticed that both second reasons and final sentences in the previous two paragraphs are the same. Therein lies the real crux of the issue; no matter the upsides or how easily the issues are rectified by the owner, knives should not come with practical issues from the manufacturer and consumers shouldn’t be expected to accept those issues.

What can be done about them?

So, what could be done to mitigate the issues of proud tips and blade rap?

Well, as mentioned above the consumer can often fix these issues themselves if they have the tools and will to do so. But, as I mentioned above, I don’t think consumers should have to do those things on a new knife. Aside from fixing them themselves, I think the only thing for a consumer to do is let the manufacturer know that they are unhappy with their knife coming with these issues. You could also return knives to the dealer that come with these issues. I personally have reached a point (after getting an Albers Cutlery Company knife with blade rap and being frustrated by trying to fix it myself) that I intend to commit to not keeping any knife that comes with either of these issues. This can actually be more difficult than it might seem. If you fight through the drops and finally secure a highly sought after Great Eastern Cutlery knife, it can seem like a small issue like a proud tip or blade rap isn’t worth sending the knife back… and maybe it’s not!

Better yet, there are things the manufacturer can do to mitigate these issues. One thing that some brands, like A.G. Russell and LionSteel, have implemented is a stop pin. Using more accurate methods of cutting out blanks, like laser cutting or EDM rather than punching with dies, could help to get more consistent interfacing between the kick and the backspring and therefore making proud tips less likely. A stop pin stops the momentum of the blade closing and doesn’t allow for the overtravel that the backspring does, which makes blade rap much less likely.

Of course, I’m not an engineer or involved in knife manufacturing in any way, so it’s not my place to make suggestions or assumptions about the process. I just love traditional slipjoints and want to see them be as good as they can be. I hope that these issues become less common and help slipjoints continue their rise back to quality and popularity.

My wife’s observations of my experiences with blade rap;

A Guide to getting rid of your blade rap:

1. buy some fancy sharpening stuff
2. find a tiny miniscule little nick on the blade to nit pick for several days at a time
3. set up in the most annoying location possible, so the most people can hear the horrible noise of the knife sharpening.
4. sharpen the knife
5. feel the blade
6. swear
7. Repeat 4-6 5-7x before you become disgusted and swear that you’ll never buy this type of knife again.
8. buy that type of knife again.

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